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	<title>Comments on: Why there&#8217;s no reason for a four-week freshman freeze</title>
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		<title>By: Information</title>
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		<dc:creator>Information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two notes:

It&#039;s not everyone who&#039;s not part of the greek system that entirely against it- it&#039;s about 10% of campus that are irrationally and blindly infuriated by it, and make themselves heard. The rest don&#039;t care that much.

Second, freeze will be 3 weeks this year forward. That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two notes:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not everyone who&#8217;s not part of the greek system that entirely against it- it&#8217;s about 10% of campus that are irrationally and blindly infuriated by it, and make themselves heard. The rest don&#8217;t care that much.</p>
<p>Second, freeze will be 3 weeks this year forward. That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: response to incoming frosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>response to incoming frosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to incoming frosh:

it won&#039;t matter one bit...since you are a girl, your rush process has nothing to do with fraternities</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to incoming frosh:</p>
<p>it won&#8217;t matter one bit&#8230;since you are a girl, your rush process has nothing to do with fraternities</p>
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		<title>By: incoming frosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>incoming frosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like anyone not part of the Greek system is really against it, and anyone within it is willing to defend it at all costs. All I know of Greek college life is that it&#039;s supposedly a group of students who compete with other frats/soro, do community service, and drink/party a lot on the side. Or maybe it&#039;s drink/party a lot, do community service on the side. Then there are the negative stereotypes of how shallow the selection process is, which breeds even more shallow attitudes in those chosen. But these, again, are stereotypes that I&#039;ve been solely exposed to.

I&#039;ve never really been interested in joining a sorority, but i need to know: what exactly is the appeal of Greek life as compared to a non-greek one? Will this freshman freeze really affect my desire to join--is four weeks of delay that big a deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like anyone not part of the Greek system is really against it, and anyone within it is willing to defend it at all costs. All I know of Greek college life is that it&#8217;s supposedly a group of students who compete with other frats/soro, do community service, and drink/party a lot on the side. Or maybe it&#8217;s drink/party a lot, do community service on the side. Then there are the negative stereotypes of how shallow the selection process is, which breeds even more shallow attitudes in those chosen. But these, again, are stereotypes that I&#8217;ve been solely exposed to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never really been interested in joining a sorority, but i need to know: what exactly is the appeal of Greek life as compared to a non-greek one? Will this freshman freeze really affect my desire to join&#8211;is four weeks of delay that big a deal?</p>
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		<title>By: A Real Issue</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Real Issue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main issue I see is that of off campus parties vs. on campus Fraternity parties. 

Chapters go through extensive risk managment plans to prepare for large parties. These make them more safe for the chapter and people attending. 

At off campus parties there is no one to take ownership, no one looking out for parter goers. 

It is safer to party in a Fraternity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main issue I see is that of off campus parties vs. on campus Fraternity parties. </p>
<p>Chapters go through extensive risk managment plans to prepare for large parties. These make them more safe for the chapter and people attending. </p>
<p>At off campus parties there is no one to take ownership, no one looking out for parter goers. </p>
<p>It is safer to party in a Fraternity.</p>
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		<title>By: huzzah</title>
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		<dc:creator>huzzah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>freeze protects them from john sullivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freeze protects them from john sullivan.</p>
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		<title>By: Come On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Come On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As any non-Greek on this campus knows,  Greek life at NU isn&#039;t hurting.  There isn&#039;t a thing to do on this campus on a Friday or Saturday night unless you go to a party at a frat house. Unless you&#039;re lucky and get to go to the frat&#039;s off-campus party.  Greek participation at NU is very high compared to other universities and the freshman freeze is one of the only things keeping this participation in check.

If freshman are forced to do things for a few weeks without Greek affiliation, good.  That way, they might try to make friends with students on their own instead of making friends with the frats/sororities that seem like they can offer the most or that are the nicest.  We all know that Greek life can be very tempting due to it&#039;s popularity and how nice everyone is to you when they want you to rush.  Plus those few weeks will give the freshmen some time to think about Greek life, which they should do before being bombarded with &quot;RUSH!!!!&quot; campaigns.  If anything, the freeze only made me more curious about Greek life.

The &quot;freedom&quot; and &quot;personal responsibility&quot; you are so concerned about freshman having is completely ridiculous.  These are the same freshman forced to buy a 13 meal plan so that they don&#039;t forget to eat, go through 3 locked doors to get to their rooms, and check in with a babysi--erm, a CSO, when entering most dorms after &quot;bedtime.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As any non-Greek on this campus knows,  Greek life at NU isn&#8217;t hurting.  There isn&#8217;t a thing to do on this campus on a Friday or Saturday night unless you go to a party at a frat house. Unless you&#8217;re lucky and get to go to the frat&#8217;s off-campus party.  Greek participation at NU is very high compared to other universities and the freshman freeze is one of the only things keeping this participation in check.</p>
<p>If freshman are forced to do things for a few weeks without Greek affiliation, good.  That way, they might try to make friends with students on their own instead of making friends with the frats/sororities that seem like they can offer the most or that are the nicest.  We all know that Greek life can be very tempting due to it&#8217;s popularity and how nice everyone is to you when they want you to rush.  Plus those few weeks will give the freshmen some time to think about Greek life, which they should do before being bombarded with &#8220;RUSH!!!!&#8221; campaigns.  If anything, the freeze only made me more curious about Greek life.</p>
<p>The &#8220;freedom&#8221; and &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; you are so concerned about freshman having is completely ridiculous.  These are the same freshman forced to buy a 13 meal plan so that they don&#8217;t forget to eat, go through 3 locked doors to get to their rooms, and check in with a babysi&#8211;erm, a CSO, when entering most dorms after &#8220;bedtime.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Saying 40%</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop Saying 40%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>34% of Northwestern students are Greek. 

31% of males, 38% of Females.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>34% of Northwestern students are Greek. </p>
<p>31% of males, 38% of Females.</p>
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		<title>By: '94 alumnus</title>
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		<dc:creator>'94 alumnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Also, 40% is a number. Without seeing what would happen without freshman freeze, you can’t just cite a number and say that enrollment isn’t deterred.”  In point of fact, participation in the Greek system has risen since the institution of the freshman freeze.  “Correction” is correct that this is about deferring rather than deterring.  If the freeze was intended as a deterrent to a student&#039;s ever joining the Greek system, it has failed miserably.

As an aside, where the university’s policies have had a profound effect is drinking in dorms and res colleges.  It’s anecdotal, but per my friends in the class of ’92, all student housing was essentially wet through their freshmen year.  

Your allegation about the meal plans is very interesting.  I wouldn’t put such horse trading past ol’ Arne Weber.  That man did not miss a trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Also, 40% is a number. Without seeing what would happen without freshman freeze, you can’t just cite a number and say that enrollment isn’t deterred.”  In point of fact, participation in the Greek system has risen since the institution of the freshman freeze.  “Correction” is correct that this is about deferring rather than deterring.  If the freeze was intended as a deterrent to a student&#8217;s ever joining the Greek system, it has failed miserably.</p>
<p>As an aside, where the university’s policies have had a profound effect is drinking in dorms and res colleges.  It’s anecdotal, but per my friends in the class of ’92, all student housing was essentially wet through their freshmen year.  </p>
<p>Your allegation about the meal plans is very interesting.  I wouldn’t put such horse trading past ol’ Arne Weber.  That man did not miss a trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Correction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Correction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When the rule was initially proposed, it was meant to promote deterred recruitment.&quot;

The phrase the author is looking for here is &quot;deferred recruitment.&quot; The policy is not meant to &quot;deter&quot; freshman from joining Greek houses, but rather, to defer, or delay, that process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the rule was initially proposed, it was meant to promote deterred recruitment.&#8221;</p>
<p>The phrase the author is looking for here is &#8220;deferred recruitment.&#8221; The policy is not meant to &#8220;deter&#8221; freshman from joining Greek houses, but rather, to defer, or delay, that process.</p>
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		<title>By: Correction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Correction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When the rule was initially proposed, it was meant to promote deterred recruitment. Up until the establishment of the freshman freeze, it was common practice for houses to begin recruiting freshmen as soon as they arrived on campus.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the rule was initially proposed, it was meant to promote deterred recruitment. Up until the establishment of the freshman freeze, it was common practice for houses to begin recruiting freshmen as soon as they arrived on campus.&#8221;</p>
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